#HashtagSpam

I am not "spamming hashtags" at all. Diaspora is completely disorganized with people often not tagging at all or just using one or two vague tags, or a random tag way too specific (like an author's name) and leaving out the most relevant ones. Quite simply information is not being communicated, is being posted and cannot be found in a search even - because not tagged anywhere anyone would look. So I make sure to tag everything properly - so as not to waste everyone's time and the whole platform, and then I also find people only use the same couple of tags over and over again. This means 1. everything gets posted into one tag, that tag full and everything lost in the flood. 2. No information or communication is ever tagged in a meaningful way, where information is found or shared, or communicated, in a functional capacity at all So instead of just tagging the basic relevant tags where info can be found where looked for, like not just COVID but also CoronaVirus and Vaccine, but also more specific tags that info will not get quickly lost in the flood but more specific, so that people can actualy communicate. No one else does this so I worked on coming up with a range of tags that work to ACTUALLY CREATE FUNCTIONAL FORUMS WITH REAL COMMUNICATION. There is extreme silence and quiet around here, and always has been - not because people don't come here and try and communicate, but because people are lazy and irresponsible and either dump communications with no tags, bad tags where cannot be found, or one main tag where quickly pushed way down as everyone else is using the same one or two tags. People come to diaspora all the time and give up and leave, because there is no functional communication or forums. I did years ago. now with COVID quarentines I am back. and I'm not going to sit here listening to myself, posting to myself or one or two tags that everyone else uses flooded with random posts super fast and no one finds my posts and I cannot find the decent and substantive ones.

I'm not here just to stare at whatever cat picture or porn was posted 5 minutes ago. You obviously have no idea what functional communication looks like. Get a clue and get the FUCK off my back

And have some appreciation SOMEONE is posting GOOD INFO and DOCUMENTATION around here instead of rumors, propaganda, drama, and bullshit memes.

Be respectful and grateful, or go back to facebook.

I arrived by myself on #HashtagSpam to accurately and concisely express my understanding of the practice this post illustrates. By itself the volume of your reaction to it, suffices to prove to that hashtag a relevance superior to that of any hashtag in the least relevant dozens of those you listed.

The surface feature of a hashtag list that takes half of the screen area of the post and amounts to line noise as far as human reading is concerned -- you aren't claiming you expect anyone to actually read it, do you? -- is by itself largely sufficient to justify #HashtagSpam given the standard of weakness of relevance that your post sets with the least relevant hashtags it lists.

However, you seem to opportunistically dismiss this standard of sufficiency you've yourself set up, and further, to mistake sufficiency for necessity.

With an argument such as:

1. everything gets posted into one tag, that tag full and everything lost in the flood.

you appear to deny what I believe to be unfortunately true of the hashtag mechanism and to be behind your preposterous listing of ~100 of them and that I believe illustrated by the fact of your parasitic post popping up in my feed against my wish... in the precise sense you are alluding to by using the word "flood".

Namely, that

(1) there is no way to set up a hashtags-based filtering mechanism at the reception or retrieval end, that on the posting end would belie the comfortable certainty that adding a further hashtag never incurs any negative impact on distribution.

(2) this comfortable certainty is behind your uninhibited formation of an arbitrarily long list of them for your post, while seems to escape you that is unwarranted your expectation that people shouldn't differ from you on the value of having it grab their attention.

(3) the unit of volume that's to be considered when implying the inconvenient presence of unwanted posts in "floods", is not really the post, but the post weighted by the sum of the distribution scope of each hashtag it lists.

As far as hashtag-based distribution and retrieval is concerned, your post with a hundred different hashtags is equivalent to a hundred copies of the post, each with just a single different hashtag.

In summary:

#HashtagSpam because the fact is that I sometimes stumble upon posts like this one in my feed, that, to my standards, count as trash ad leaflets which I don't wish to see, and that the obvious reason of their presence in my stream against my wish is that their author has abused the hashtag mechanism to maximize the number of feeds in which they would land, which includes mine, as they associated their post with an absurdly bloated list of hashtags that includes many that have only the vaguest connection to the topic of their post, among which some that happen to belong to the few that I listed as denoting my own interests.

As an afterthought, I feel I've insufficiently emphasized what I say at the end of my numbered paragraph (2) given how intensely the conclusion of your comment confirms it:

[it] escape[s] you that is unwarranted your expectation that people shouldn’t differ from you on the value of having [your post] grab their attention.

given your last words, I'll add that it isn't just unwarranted but also arrogant and poor on perspective. Of course no one who is invested in maximizing attention to a message they care about ever gives a thought to the notion that the recipients can legitimately differ from them on the positive value of getting the message to their attention.

Now, an evident ingredient of your attitude lies with your conviction of the importance of what your post displays. It's precisely because that zealot certainty of yours is so salient that is self-evidently pointless for me to engage in the rational detailing of why I differ from you on the value of the message itself, and that I believe sufficient to detail why I find abusive the way you put it under my nose (among many other noses).

But from my silence on the message, don't delude yourself I would be incapable of articulating why I don't find the message helpful to my intelligence, had I the least expectation that my critique would get attention proportionate to the effort of formulating it; or that you can accurately anticipate what that critique would be.

Last but not least, go facebook yourself!

Thank you for the good laugh at this preposterous bullshit.

"amounts to line noise as far as human reading is concerned – you aren’t claiming you expect anyone to actually read it, do you?" Before they "critique" "judge" "criticize" and "condemn" it - YES!! I do expect someone to read the hashtags before they start posting "HashtagSpam!"

As for anyone else to read the list of hashtags? Why the hell would I expect anyone to read a Hashtag list? That is not the purpose of the LIST the purpose of the list is LINKING THE POST to the APPROPRIATE TAGS. Why would anyone read a list of LINK INFORMATION??

When I post a http address like https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7439997/figure/fig2/, do I expect them to read each word - or just CLICK ON IT?

You stare at a browser all the time you use it. DO YOU READ THE HTTP address in FULL each time it CHANGES?? ALL THE WORDS??

It's there at the top - all the time. The whole time. Are you going to get annoyed and have a temper tantrum - does your browser REALLY expect you to read the whole HTTP address everytime???

Then what's your temper tantrum about HASHTAGS BEING READ?

Hashtag Spam is when someone puts tags on a post that are off topic, non relevant, and unrelated in order to SPAM. If I had put "Gamer" or "Gaming" or "Ukraine" or "Oil" or "Vegan" or "Gardening"or "Sex" or "Porn" or "Caturday" or "Humor" all over my post, that would be Hashtag Spam. I have done no such thing, and never have. Nothing here is unrelated AT ALL. There is no SPAM here!!!!

"your parasitic post" EXCUSE ME??

How is DONATING MY TIME to VOLUNTARILY create a POST of good information FOR FREE that is EASY TO READ and IMPORTANT INFORMATION regarding MAJOR WORLD DISASTERS "PARASITIC"??

"popping up in my feed against my wish"

IF YOU DON'T LIKE INFORMATION ON TOPIC ON THE HASHTAGS YOU ARE FOLLOWING, UNFOLLOW THEM, OR BLOCK THE PERSON POSTING THEM - OR GO BACK TO FACEBOOK

"popping up in my feed against my wish… in the precise sense you are alluding to by using the word “flood”.

No, you moron - I am no "alluding" to this at all by using "flood" - you obviously are so autistic you cannot see beyond your own nose - let alone understand any word I said, let alone the purpose anyone has of COMMUNICATING on DIASPORA or what COMMUNICATION IS or WHAT FUNCTION IT SERVES all you can see is "what pleases you" and "what displeases you" and narcissitically compulsively and blindly attack "all that displeases you" as "bad and wrong".

"everything gets posted into one tag, that tag full and everything lost in the flood."

That MEANS that thousands of posts get tagged COVID and if you want to find a post or information or discussion about COVID Vaccines or COVID Mandates or COVID Vaccines Adverse Reactions you will NOT BE ABLE TO amongst all the MANY DIFFERENT SUBTOPICS of COVID on the COVID hashtag because they are LOST IN THE FLOOD of RELEVANT INFORMATION that is TOO GENERAL for SPECIFICs

ERGO - UH DUH - People must CROSSPOST VACCINE TOPPICED POSTS BETWEEN BOTH COVID AND VACCINE

Now go FUCK OFF and FUCK YOURSELF BORIS

"because the fact is that I sometimes stumble upon posts like this one in my feed, that, to my standards, count as trash ad leaflets which I don’t wish to see" You are the biggest idiot in the world. I hope you die very soon. Enjoy your Darwin award

"and that the obvious reason of their presence in my stream against my wish is that their author has abused the hashtag mechanism to maximize the number of feeds in which they would land, " Moron. I have abused nothing, and never have.

If I wanted to "maximize the number of feeds" Then I would have included POPULAR FEEDS YOU MOTHERFUCKING MORON. MOST OF THESE ARE NOT POPULAR, AND MOST POPULAR ONES ARE NOT TAGGED

GO FUCK YOURSELF BORIS

First off, your OP meme can't be adopted as information without much work to double check what it affirms and to redeem its leaning in the face of a precedent with which it shares too many features to be ignored. In that sense, the meme burdens rather than helps intelligence.

That precedent is a clip hostilely excerpted from Gates' 2015 TED advocacy for Terrapower-style nuclear plants, a clip that was widely relayed and presented as Gates saying the contrary of what he was there in fact saying on the relevance of vaccines.

That clip further found its way as fact-establishing document not explicitly referenced but implied in summaries comparable to your meme. That's why the latter can't be trusted on its face, be it on the angle of its (unspecified) sourcing or on the angle of promoting hostility towards the particular polarizing figure it picks on.

YES!! I do expect someone to read the hashtags before they start posting “HashtagSpam!”

This counts a hundredfold for the expectation that someone should read a grammatically articulated argument to the end before reacting to its details. As I took pain to explicitly acknowledge because your first irate reaction implied that's how you took it the visible screen space taken by your bloated hashtag list admits understanding as a fit for my #HashtagSpam -- but I then went on to detail how that fit was superfluous and that my speaking of spam had another ground.

The beginning of the present comment completes the exposition of that ground.

Note however, when you say:

As for anyone else to read the list of hashtags? Why the hell would I expect anyone to read a Hashtag list? That is not the purpose of the LIST the purpose of the list is LINKING THE POST to the APPROPRIATE TAGS. Why would anyone read a list of LINK INFORMATION??

The point is that screen space is destined to human readers and doesn't serve the information linking function. The fact that hashtags list are shown by default and not just accessible by a special click or menu reveals the system designed for human-readable hashtags lists, which they only can be if of moderate length. That your hashtags list occupies so much screen space is a symptom that you are abusing the system.

...NOT BE ABLE TO amongst all the MANY DIFFERENT SUBTOPICS of COVID...

Are you saying that the #hashtags filtering mechanism enables filtering on the simultaneous presence of multiple hashtags? AFAIK, it doesn't, and if it is indeed so, your use of this argument just reveals that you don't understand what you are saying. If, unbeknownst to me, filtering in fact enables that, there would be half a point to your addition of vague hashtags as remotely related to the topic of your post as #wellness, #IT, #Slavery (and scores of others).

Half a point only, because in itself such a filtering feature wouldn't remove the biggest misfeature of the hashtags mechanism: the misfeature being that adding a further hashtag can never penalize the distribution of the post; can never result in the post not appearing anywhere where it would appear if the hashtag isn't added.

For that, would be necessary a power to exclude from the filtered result set, and not just include, posts showing some specific hashtags or hashtag combinations.

For my need here, this could work if the system also automatically added #10Hashtags, #20Hashtags, #50Hashtags etc whenever exceeds 10, 20, 50 etc the size of a hashtag list. Then I could insert -#10Hashtags in my filter and so exclude all posts featuring more than 10 hashtags.

If I wanted to “maximize the number of feeds” Then I would have included POPULAR FEEDS YOU MOTHERFUCKING MORON.

On diaspora we each have a default feed, called "Stream", and my understanding is that

(1) "Streams" represent the vast majority of feeds getting attention. Your early blurb on diaspora being disorganized and users lacking hashtag discipline I take for indicative that you are aware of that.

(2) The content of each user's "stream" is determined by what the users follows, both other users ...and hashtags.

(3) your post was in my "stream", but I don't follow you ...ergo it's there because of some hashtag among the hundred, most of them irrelevant, that you saw fit to add to it.

"popping up in my feed against my wish… in the precise sense you are alluding to by using the word “flood”.

No, you moron - I am no “alluding” to this at all by using “flood”

Your use of "flood" is manifestly a metaphor that denotes how an information flow becomes impractical because its swollen volume doesn't match what you'd find useful to see there, as a function of your filter setting for the flow. Since that useful content is a subset of the actual content, this means that the remainder of the actual content is "floodwater".

That the filter setting may be a single hashtag makes the metaphor no less applicable to cases where the filter setting is less simple.

If I wanted to “maximize the number of feeds” Then I would have included POPULAR FEEDS YOU MOTHERFUCKING MORON.

First off, your "I would have included" misrepresents your effort to include tags that do not count among "POPULAR FEEDS" as an effort to not include tags that do count among them. I believe your actual tags list belies any claim to an effort of the latter kind, which is the one you literally claim to.

Second, the only form of popularity that's accessible for you to measure is the popularity of a tag as a target when posting which you can then evaluate by the scale of "flooding" when searching that tag... something that doesn't tell you the popularity of a tag when filtering over it... as a matter of fact, over the course of this "conversation", you indirectly argued not once but twice in the direction that these two forms of popularity should anti-correlate.

Third, the context from which you borrowed "maximizing the number of feeds" made it clear that the feeds in question were exemplified by my user's default stream; speaking of maximizing the number was an accurate match to the idea that it's not a matter of how much each of those streams is popular -- they each have exactly a single viewer -- but of what slice they represent of feeds actually attended to (the vast majority IMO) -- and a question of how your multiplication of hashtags translated to an increase of the number of these that your post would capture.

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In summary, this utter nonsense retort confirms the pathogenic perspective deficiency of a mind whose work can't be trusted, however generously it sacrifices time to it.

Most people will on occasions unconsciously flip a valence or direction sign, given a very favorable ratio in terms of cognitive dissonance avoided for (apparent) quantity of added approximation. The added guilt for the "minute" alteration is dwarfed by the guilt subtracted thanks to the alteration.

Most people will do so on occasions, but they'll rarely flip more than one sign at a time, and they'll do so over inputs submitted to them, not in the course of forming a proactive nonsense argument.

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Cherry on the cake, such a sign flip is precisely at the core of what I called the damning precedent, eg the quoting of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkfWaCzsas

out of a context that made it clear he wasn't arguing for what this hostilely excerpted clip makes him appear to positively argue for.

To think of it, there is a very striking commonality between on the one hand how Gates' words there were made to masquerade for what they weren't; and, on the other hand, how your top-quoted sentence doesn't say what it means and says what it doesn't mean (as I explained first, below it).

@buzzkill

It seems that @eyespeer is an AI. He's configured to waste people's time with verbose nonsense. That's why he uses unnecessarily convoluted and verbose language, yet can't understand relatively simple ideas. He's artificially intelligent. No real depth, insight, logical comprehension etc.

I was fooled by him when I first joined diaspora. His linguistic programming is pretty convincing, but that's because he's been learning how people communicate. He's good at conversation, for an AI, but awful at debate and comprehension because he's just ones and zeros, not a human.

It's up to you what you do, but I'd advise against wasting your time on him. He's programmed to prolong interactions, but never actually concede, accept your concession, or build a synthesis from a thesis and antithesis. In short, he's just a time sink.

@T P Q #HashtagSpam was a perfectly concise, unconvoluted, and exact first comment I made in this thread.

The rest followed from the poster arguing in bad faith (a trait he shares with you) that it wouldn't apply. Ripe with ad hominem (a trait he shares with you). But the main trait you share with him, is that practice of #HashtagSpam, and since everything I wrote in this thread was directed at refuting the bad faith arguments of the OP denying #HashtagSpam, your comment now is just a bad faith way to deflect a blame that perfectly applies to you as well.

As a matter of fact, the tag #HashtagSpam was invented in reaction to a post of your own whose unwanted presence in my stream had exactly the same cause as the presence of this post.

@eyespeer

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@tpq1980@iviv.hu Thank you so much!! :) :)

LOL A much better laugh than his ridiculousness :) That explains everything! Thank you! :)

I was wondering if I should block him. Apologize if I hesitated to long - I get a little defensive, and sometimes feel pressured to err on the side of free speech. I must work on this!

I keep hoping they will slow down the funding for AI research so that cyborgs will not become the horrible threatening reality that they will be until I am dead and gone. Sigh. Alas, it is never to be so...

What a cruel joke some programmer has played to design such a monster as 'Boris'

Machines were never designed to be reasonable... just efficient.

Thank goodness for the ignore button!! :)

Thanks again, take care!! :)

@buzzkill

I considered blocking him, but my commitment to free speech held me back. Plus, once you realise his limitations, he's quite easy to counter.

:D